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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:21:00 -
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Fact is: sit still, spam missiles, win is the new game now. Played a bit earlier (LAAAAAAAAAAAAG) and missiles do stupid amounts of damage to all targets. Typical comparison of damage per missile:
cruise 45
torp 55
heavy ~70 (thats vs tanked HAC)
Well posting it not as "omg you deal only 50 damage per missile!" but as comparison between BS and cruiser weapon types vs cruiser. And looking at DPS - you need quite heavily tanked HAC to tank torpedo raven.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 15/10/2008 13:31:04
 Originally by: Butter Dog
i wanted to only see gangs of drakes and falcons roaming 0.0 anyway
makes the game more varied and fun
More like sniper gangs. All you need is 5 cerbs and 5 ravens and you are safe from all tackle attempts.
EDIT:
actually only drakes is enough too (half/assault+precissions, half heavies)
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 15/10/2008 16:38:42
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 15/10/2008 16:35:41
OK more testing:
Cerb (240 lock, 220 missile range) vs vaga
vaga at 0m/s - 200damage
vaga at 3,5km/s - 150 damage/missile
So pretty much - vaga is dead either way. Only idea that comes to my mind is injector + shield booster tbh (but mind you i never flown vaga and never will even tho i have skills ;p)
cerb vs sader:
sader with MWD on (5,2km/s) - got hit for 100+ damage/missile
sader turned off MWD - hit for about 20 damage (was doing EM type, so with kin should be around 30-35).
those were heavy precission missiles btw.
To sum up:
1. speed tanking doesnt exist anymore
2. sig tanking is new "idea"
3. when you have 2 sniper fleets there is no way in hell to close the gap between them except for using covops warpins - but if fleet is aligned it shouldnt be a problem
4. heavy missiles are ultmate all-rounders. On cerb they deal pretty ok damage to tacklers, insane damage to HACs, and good damage to battleships
5. game got dumbed down so any ****** can play - why use webs when you can click f1-f8 and deal damage?
And tbh my biggest issue is point 5. Even if some can claim that "nanos are for any idiot" the new gameplay style is for people with IQ of a fungi. You literally dont have to do anything except click f1-f8. If there is lag - target will die.
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and i agree with Butter - remove tracking from guns. As missiles can deal full damage from 0-220km (my cerb) why my zealot cant do the same?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
speed tanking should be done through low sig a speed ...
so you wanna speed tank, fit an AFTERBURNER
I hope the devs grasp that and that a missile will do less dmg vs a ABing ship compared to a mwding ship.
You are stupid - plain and simple. Using AB is not speed tanking but "sig" (as in signature radius) tanking. You can get exactly same results by not using AB at all.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 16/10/2008 00:18:50
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 16/10/2008 00:18:43
Originally by: Col Callahan
I support this change, caldari have been the bullshit for pvp and could be soloed in a inty or vaga any day of the week. now the shoe is on the ohter foot. I look forward to being able to kill these nanos.
Didnt Burn Eden hand your ass over to you on multiple ocassions? And they were using CALDARI ships !
Pretty much they were ok now, going to be overpowered and next in line for nerf.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 16/10/2008 10:50:34
Originally by: Col Callahan
I support this change, caldari have been the bullshit for pvp and could be soloed in a inty or vaga any day of the week. now the shoe is on the ohter foot. I look forward to being able to kill these nanos.
Ahh btw was just re-reading thread. You will be soloed in inty or properly setup HAC again :) Actually inty vs BS is quite easy now (sader 4tw).
The only advantage for caldari shows up when they come in blob - because then they dont need tacklers at all compared to sniper/close range BS.
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